Explosive Growth

(Section 4 of Part 2 – “Determining the Validity of Internet Data”)

Now, when trying to determine whether the claims against David Miscavige and the church are valid or not,  you might be saying, okay, but what about the stats? Isn’t the explosive growth that we are witnessing in Scientology the deciding factor? Doesn’t LRH say that the stat is the senior datum in terms of evaluating personnel?

My response to those questions is this: Are you actually witnessing with your own two eyes the “explosive growth” that the church is claiming?

You may be being told that the church is growing by leaps and bounds but do you actually see that happening? Of course, just because someone may not see it happening where they are located does not mean that it is not happening everywhere else. But that does not excuse someone from looking further than their own location to determine the truth for themselves of whether their church is experiencing this so-called “explosive growth”.

Let’s take a look at this. The church claims that there are 10,000 orgs, missions and groups. (When I was going through my investigation, the Freedom mag I mentioned earlier said the church had 8,000 orgs, missions and groups. More recently, I have seen a church claim that there are over 10,000) Have you ever seen a list of them? I haven’t. Where are they?

Last I knew there were about 175 Class V orgs. This would mean that the Class V orgs average 45.7 missions and groups per org.

I know that for Chicago, there are about 5 missions and one field auditor that I know of who actually audits. (If it’s more, I apologize for overlooking but it isn’t much more than that).

I’ve been to Flag and I’ve known staff members from all over the world and I have never heard of one single org having over 10 missions. And as far as “groups” are concerned, I don’t know what the church is considering a “group” to consist of but I’ve never heard of any org that had anything that could be considered to be anywhere near 45 of them. In Chicago, I never saw anything like what I would consider a high number of highly productive field groups.

If my org had 45 missions and field groups, I’m sure that after being on staff for 25 years, I would be able to name more than 5 missions and one field auditor in the area.

My point here is not to belittle the hard-working staff members of the church, it is to get them to actually look at what is going on. The claim of 10,000 orgs, missions and groups is a false report! And that’s another extreme out-ethics indicator.

And also the church was claiming that it has over 8,000,000 members!

Let’s just say that Flag, ASHO, AOLA, AOSH UK, AOSH ANZO and AOSH EU each had 10,000 people in their local areas that would be considered to be public of those orgs. (I doubt that it is anywhere near that high but I could be wrong. Check for yourself if you want but I’m using this as a generous assumption.) That would be 50,000 Scientologists right there.

That would leave 7,950,000 members of the church to account for as affiliated with 175 Class V orgs. You know how many church members that makes per org? That’s 45,428.57 members per Class V org.

Last I knew, my org had, without a doubt, no more than 1000 active members. And that is a very generous estimate. Sure there may be many hundreds of times more than that amount in the Central Files, but the overwhelming majority of those folders are of people who only bought a book and did nothing further. And then I would say that there are at least a few thousand in there who once were active in Scientology but haven’t done anything in Scientology for many years. In my book, that doesn’t count, and if that’s the basis for the 8,000,000 members, to count anyone who ever bought a book or ever had even just one contact with an org or mission, or isn’t actually a Scientologist anymore, then I call that a STAT PUSH and also another false report. The purpose of the stat of how many Scientologists there are, is to show the actual useful current production of good effects that Scientology is supposed to produce. To count people who aren’t really Scientologists in that stat is a misrepresentation.

And I would be shocked to find out about one org that genuinely has anywhere near 45,000 people who were actually practicing, producing Scientologists. Maybe you know of some but it’s something that needs to be looked at honestly.

Look in your own org right now. How many people are on course? How many people are currently getting auditing in the HGC? How many auditors are there who are auditing? How many missions does your org have and how many people actively on services in those missions?

God, I’m looking over what I’ve written here and it kind of looks like you might think I’m trying to degrade the people of the church who are so dedicated to the cause, many of whom have done so much in the name of help and genuine care. No way, that’s not where I’m coming from, I swear. I was one of you and I know what it’s like.

I’m not trying to drive you into apathy, I’m trying to get you to see a viewpoint, which if you investigated it, might enable you to do something about it. When stats are genuinely up, it is perfectly okay to acknowledge your success. When stats are down, you find out why, apply the right condition and take action. That doesn’t mean you go into apathy about it, or you get resentful of the person who is pointing the fact out to you.  You have to actually look at the truth before you can do the right thing.

If you think the church’s stats are spectacular and yet they are not, isn’t that something you would like to know about? And I’m not saying I think you should just take my word for it. But I think you should look at these contrary facts that I’m presenting to you, look into them for yourself and then draw your own conclusions.

At the very least, even if you don’t agree with me, you can at least increase your understanding of my viewpoint and know that I didn’t just suddenly lose all my senses resulting in my leaving the church.

Next…What About Expansion Presented at Scientology Events?

6 thoughts on “Explosive Growth

  1. Looking 4 Myself says:

    That was the one thing that I noticed that made me think that there was something fishy about the stats that were being claimed by the church. I spent time at another class V org besides Chicago when these overinflated stats were being presented by INT management and it sent off bells and whistles in my universe. And this was before I EVER looked at any negative data on the internet. In Chicago,as well as the other org I spent time at, I didn’t see the classrooms full or the HGC’s packed. There was days when I was on study in the Academy in Chicago 3 years ago where I was the only student on course.And on the rare busy weekday and busy weekends a lot of the students I saw were staff rather than public more times then not.
    And the majority of the students in the academy were on the Basics line up, not Academy levels or any other courses offered in the Academy.
    Contrast this to the early nineties at the Chicago Org when you were the KTL/LOC Sup. Those were the days when the Academy was much busier. It was just the opposite of what INT management said was going on.
    The bottom line to me is that the Orgs are there to make Auditors and audit PC’s, yet INT management keeps making the runway longer and longer to get trained and get auditing. And what money public have to spend on services keeps getting siphoned off by donations to causes in the Church that have no exchange value.

  2. davefagen says:


    Thank you for your comments. If you are willing, please get in touch with me at davefagen@hushmail.com. You say you were on course in Chicago three years ago, so obviously we know each other. I would really like to hear from you.


  3. Hi Dave, nice blog 🙂
    The way the inflated stats work is like this, each Class V org has within it all of the front groups, either manned or HFA, so when you include Narconon, The Way To Happiness, Criminon, Study Technology, Citizens Commission on Human Rights, Say No To Drugs, Volunteer Ministers,Artists For a Better World and Applied Scholastics, you see how each individual org becomes 10! Even our local Mission has most of these front groups.

    Come and join us in this Facebook group if you like: https://www.facebook.com/groups/325785144156523/

  4. Penny says:

    Yo Davo 🙂

    Greetings from Oz !
    Do u have a printable version of this whole blog…So interesting and insightful !!

    Onya !

  5. davefagen says:

    No, just this version.

    Thanks for the compliment.

    Your greeting kind of makes me think I know you. Do I?

  6. Barney says:

    Excellent blog, from the start you share LRH’s own policy on how it is okay to look, then clear up the misinformation being glorified about the stats of the Church. I’ve never seen my mission have more than 10 or so more people on course at any one time and it is open only part time, I went to the boat very excited to find a like minded 2d and was very disappointed to see there was only 2 people at the seminar. Wow. Shocking. Thanks for clarifying, it validates what I already suspected.

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